Re: [Anima-bootstrap] brsky concern1: separating audit-log retrieval from voucher generation
"Max Pritikin (pritikin)" <pritikin@cisco.com> Tue, 01 November 2016 22:16 UTC
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From: "Max Pritikin (pritikin)" <pritikin@cisco.com>
To: Toerless Eckert <tte+ietf@cs.fau.de>
Thread-Topic: [Anima-bootstrap] brsky concern1: separating audit-log retrieval
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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 22:16:45 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] brsky concern1: separating audit-log
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I see this as the same discussion for “concern2” so please look to that thread for responses. - max > On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Toerless Eckert <tte+ietf@cs.fau.de> wrote: > > As discussed today on the call, restated for the rest of the team with more detail: > > -> pledge connects to two networks, A, B. > -> Pledge tries to well-behave, only offers nonce to one network first, A. > -> (registrar of) A gets voucher. A looks at audit-log. Audit log is fine. > Ultimately, A decides not to enroll pledge though. > -> Pledge offers nonce to B, B gets voucher and audit-log. > Audit log shows A, so B is concerned. B rejects device. > Without the entry in audit log, B would have enrolled device. > > My worry is that the current audit log approach can too easily create > false positives that will make enrolment fail if a device has multiple network > connections: > > It's impossible for A to get an audit-log without also getting > a voucher, which in return would make another domain suspicious and likely > make it decide not to accept the device. > > Separating out request for voucher from request for audit-log could work like this: > > A->MASA: request audit-log for (pledge,nonce1) > MASA: audit-log entry: "A requested audit log for pledge, hash(nonce1)" [1] > MASA->A: reply: audit-log > > ... A makes up its mind if it wants pledge and decides that it does NOT. > > -> A doesn't do anything more. Audit log would show B that A did see device, > but also that A never got voucher so that it could not have modified > device == B will happily enroll pledge. > > > ... A makes up its mind if it wants pledge and decides that it does want to: > > A->MASA: request voucher for (pledge,nonce1) > MASA: Examine audit-log that no voucher was granted since the audit-log > was given to A [1]. requests for audit-logs since [1] are > ignored in this determination. > MASA->A: If audit-log ok: > reply OK: voucher(nonce1) > audit-log entry: "A received voucher for pledge, hash(nonce1)" [2] > > If audit-log nok: > reply NOK: audit-log > audit-log entry: "A failed voucher request for pledge, hash(nonce1), hash(nonce2)" > hash(nonce2) would be from an audit-log entry that did happen after > [1] and > > > Cheers > Toerless > > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap
- [Anima-bootstrap] brsky concern1: separating audi… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima-bootstrap] brsky concern1: separating … Max Pritikin (pritikin)
- Re: [Anima-bootstrap] brsky concern1: separating … Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima-bootstrap] brsky concern1: separating … Michael Richardson