Re: [Anima-bootstrap] [Anima] Concise version of BRSKI

"Max Pritikin (pritikin)" <pritikin@cisco.com> Tue, 18 April 2017 17:07 UTC

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From: "Max Pritikin (pritikin)" <pritikin@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] [Anima] Concise version of BRSKI
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Peter,

The current text is wordy and repetitive and says things more than once <grin>. Primary focus is to remove repetitive text, tighten remaining text, and consolidate normative statements. 

As an initial example the -05 draft has 3 main sections:
	architectural overview
	functional overview (contains design considerations discussions)
	protocol details
The initial ‘concise’ branch commit moves the functional overview to the appendix. Subsequent commits are resolving normative texts that were in there by moving needed bits back into the protocol discussion. You can follow along via the git repository here:
	https://github.com/anima-wg/anima-bootstrap/compare/concise

There was a comment that the design considerations are useful and might be appropriate to keep here or in another document. At the moment I don’t have a formulated position on that.  

- max

> On Apr 18, 2017, at 3:27 AM, peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> Hi Max,
> 
> excellent idea. I looked at the present version, and there is still a lot of text.
> Where in the text do you want to reduce more? What is the end-objective?
> And will this become the final document, or is it a study that will be used later for editing the final document?
> 
> Peter
> 
> Max Pritikin (pritikin) schreef op 2017-04-15 00:34:
>> For those of you tracking the git repository please note the existence
>> of a new branch. As warned I’m significantly reducing the text. This
>> work is going on in the branch “concise”.
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