[Anima-signaling] Draft message on proposed change to GRASP
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: [Anima-signaling] Draft message on proposed change to GRASP
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Hi, Design team, and Joel, Some of us have been discussing a GRASP design issue raised by Toerless. There was quite a long off-list thread (nothing secret, so if people are interested we could make it available). But here is a draft of a proposal to the WG. Please comment - especially, does the text make sense? The actual decision belongs to the WG, of course. Short version: We propose that when an ASA listens for negotiation or synchronization requests, it should do so on its own port number rather than sharing the generic GRASP port number as currently defined. The consequence for the protocol is that discovery responses must include a complete transport address (locator+port) instead of just the locator. Long version: We want ASAs to run as separate modules in user address space, as applications, rather than being bundled with the GRASP engine in kernel space. To achieve this with all ASAs listening on the same port number would require quite complicated inter-process communication between the GRASP kernel and the indvidual ASAs. The details of this would be different in every operating system. If we allow each ASA to have its own port this can be avoided, and each ASA can have its own copy of the GRASP API library if required. This will make the systems engineering of portable ASAs much easier, and will make the adaptation of the GRASP API library and the GRASP kernel to various operating systems easier too. We propose to redefine the locator returned by GRASP discovery accordingly. For the IPv6 case that would give: locator-option /= [ipv6-locator-option, port-number] ipv6-locator-option = bytes .size 16 port-number = 0..65535 We did consider making this optional, but that would raise interoperability issues. If an implementation does choose to use the GRASP_LISTEN_PORT for all ASAs, that could simply be returned as the port-number. (Alternatively, we could define that port-number==0 means GRASP_LISTEN_PORT, but that seems like optimisation of a corner case.) Implementation note: An ASA will obtain an ephemeral port number when it starts up and that will be used in discovery responses. If more than one transport protocol is to be used, it will need to secure the same port number for each protocol. For example, if it gets port X when binding to a TCP socket, it must then bind to port X on a UDP socket. Note: Toerless Eckert brought up this problem and outlined the proposed solution.
- [Anima-signaling] Draft message on proposed chang… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima-signaling] Draft message on proposed c… jmh.direct
- Re: [Anima-signaling] Draft message on proposed c… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima-signaling] Draft message on proposed c… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima-signaling] Draft message on proposed c… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima-signaling] Draft message on proposed c… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima-signaling] Draft message on proposed c… Brian E Carpenter