[Anima] Re: Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-anima-brski-ae-12: (with COMMENT)

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Hi Murray, hi Mahesh

Thanks for clarifying. As pointed out, we use “asynchronous” in some context not necessarily with communication. Therefore we intended to adjust the terminology section.

Best regards
Steffen

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Subject: Re: Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-anima-brski-ae-12: (with COMMENT)

On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:49 PM Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com<mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com>> wrote:

[stf] Indeed, we use asynchronous in combination with different other terms. So it would be best to just leave the terms asynchronous and synchronous in the terminology section to allow combination. We utilize both terms in the document.

Can you show us an instance of where “asynchronous communication” or “synchronous communication” is used in the document outside of terminology section?

It's not, but he's saying they use "asynchronous" and "synchronous" (which is true) so they'll just define those terms.  Indeed I found "asynchronous" tied to "transfer", "channel", and "interaction", for example, so I think his plan is sound.

-MSK