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Wed, 16 Oct 2019 07:29:57 +0000 From: "Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" To: Michael Richardson , "anima@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Anima] Call for agenda ANIMA @ IETF 106, Singapore [ASAs] Thread-Index: AQHVgKVpo9p21120/EqJatHIKdB8FqdXf2EAgAVkmpA= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 07:29:57 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B9299B9FAD2@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> <1648.1570914140@dooku.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <1648.1570914140@dooku.sandelman.ca> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com; x-originating-ip: [91.171.237.229] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: f2b9bc69-d948-4c1e-1a36-08d7520aa57e x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: PR1PR07MB5084: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:9508; x-forefront-prvs: 0192E812EC x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: f2b9bc69-d948-4c1e-1a36-08d7520aa57e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 16 Oct 2019 07:29:57.4270 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: nMQ31lNg80DPdIWK2zgi7rc3j0nJIqSj3qndQB6k2bQK9Q5uUV4X0LdMFt126VVg+uEQx4l0JzNSK7+8ifanycDfUWLtDK7O/s478CMmRVs= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: PR1PR07MB5084 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Call for agenda ANIMA @ IETF 106, Singapore [ASAs] X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 07:30:02 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Anima On Behalf Of Michael Richardson > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 23:02 > To: anima@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Anima] Call for agenda ANIMA @ IETF 106, Singapore [ASAs] >=20 >=20 > Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > It seems time for the WG to discuss seriously what to do about the > > environment for Autonomic Service Agents (ASAs). We could have this > > discussion around an existing draft, but the main goal would be to > > discuss what the WG needs to do in this area. >=20 > +1 >=20 > I think that we need to spend some high-level time discussing what happen= s > next, now that we have completed the ACP work (ACP, BRSKI, architecture) >=20 +1 too. I think documents draft-carpenter-anima-asa-guidelines and draft-peloso-ani= ma-autonomic-function bring some views about the question. Agree with Brian= we should not limit to these docs for the discussion. There is also recent work started in ETSI ZSM ISG on Enablers (ZSM009-1), S= olutions (ZSM009-2) and Advanced Topics (ZSM009-3) for Closed-Loop Automati= on (not far from the definition of an ASA). Best regards, Laurent. =20