Re: [Anima] Adoption call for draft-liu-anima-grasp-distribution (ends 01/27/2020)

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

Thanks, Xun,

Send an email when you have a new version, just in case datatrackers
notification to the chairs for accepting the post with the WG name
is lost somewhere.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 05:01:09PM +0000, Xun Xiao wrote:
> Dear Toerless,
> 
> Just followed Bing's reply, we were currently editing to first record all provided comments. We will update a new version for that soon. 
> 
> After that we will start to address all technical issues one by one and keep improving the draft.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Xun Xiao (?$B>S?W)
> Advanced Wireless Technology Lab
> Munich Research Center
> Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anima [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Liubing (Leo)
> Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2020 07:20
> To: Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [Anima] Adoption call for draft-liu-anima-grasp-distribution (ends 01/27/2020)
> 
> Hi Toerless,
> 
> Thanks a lot for summarizing the comments!
> We'll revise a new version as you suggested, and upload it soon. We'll also try to maintain a github repo.
> 
> Best regards,
> Bing
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 7:13 AM
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Cc: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: [Anima] Adoption call for 
> > draft-liu-anima-grasp-distribution (ends
> > 01/27/2020)
> > 
> > We had 5 voices feedback (from non-authors) to support adoption of 
> > this document, and no voices objecting. I think this qualifies for 
> > adoption of the document.
> > 
> > Nevertheless, the supporting voices did indicate a range of 
> > improvements they would like to see. So, jere is what i would propose:
> > 
> > Dear-authors:
> > 
> > A) Please add a section Open Issues, mark it as
> > [RFC-Editor: To Be removed before becoming RFC].
> > Make it contain the following text:
> > 
> > The following issues where identified by the WG when adopting the -00 
> > draft version. These issues will be individually removed in upcoming 
> > when they are resolved.
> > 
> > 1. More reference to the use cases in the introduction.
> > 
> > 2. Better explanation of the required context of the Connected-Car case:
> > Not applicable unless the ACP will be extended to the car, which may 
> > not be desirable with the current ACP design, but maybe refocussing on 
> > an "autonomous fleet" use-case (e.g.: all cars operated by some taxi like service).
> > 
> > 3. Consider use-case/example of firmware update.  By abstracting the 
> > location of the firmware from the name of the firmware, while 
> > providing a way to notify about it, this significantly supports distribution of firmware updates.
> > References to SUIT would appropriate.
> > 
> > 4. Issues discussed in
> > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/anima/_0fYQPBcLPt8xzQee7P4dILsn3
> > A
> > 
> > 5. Rethink/refine terminology, e.g.: "module" seems to be too prescriptive.
> > Refine proposed extensions.
> > 
> > 6. I support adoption, but also support the suggestion (from IETF106) 
> > Provide more protocol behavior description  instead of only 
> > implementation / software module architecture description.
> > Reduce the latter or provide better justification for their presence 
> > due to explained interoperability requirements.
> > 
> > 7. Better motivation in sections 1..4 of the proposed extensions
> > 
> > 8. Consider moving examples from appendices into core-text . Ideally 
> > craft a single use-case showing/applying all extensions (most simple 
> > use case that uses them all).
> > 
> > 9. Refine terminology to better match/reuse-the established 
> > terminology from the pre-existing ANIMA documents.
> > 
> > B) Add changelog section, equally marked as to be removed before . For 
> > this version -00 it should just list above section from A) to be new.
> > 
> > C) Designate in the authors list one or two main editors for the time
> >    being, doesn't have to be final, just whoever has the main edit pen
> >    from you.  Post this version as -00 with name
> >    draft-ietf-anima-grasp-distribution-00
> >    and replacing draft-liu-anima-grasp-distribution
> > 
> >    I will then approve that doc as WG chair.
> > 
> > D) Feel free to work on -01 and further. In the changelog, please
> >    describe for each change which of the above 9 points are addressed by
> >    the change and concentrate on those changes first before addressing
> >    further enhancements.
> > 
> > E) I would strongly suggest you authors consider to create a repo for
> >    this document under www.github.com/anima-wg It specifically makees
> >    it easier to open for each of the above 10 bullet points possible
> >    "Issues" where it would be easier to have focussed discusses.
> > 
> >    I am not a github is the only way groupie though, so please make sure
> >    all discussions are Cc'ed to the mailing list, even though it may primarily be on
> >    github to make then easier to track/find.
> > 
> > Cheers
> >     Toerless
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 12:45:33PM +0100, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> > > This message starts a two-week adoption call, it ends on January 27th, 2020.
> > >
> > > draft-liu-anima-grasp-distribution was progressed up to version -13 
> > > with the help of the WG, it was last presented at IETF106 with good interest.
> > > The draft is now clearly in scope of ANIMA charter 2 that was 
> > > adopted around IETF106. The authors asked for adoption of the document.
> > > As far as the chairs heard, there was no objection in the room.
> > >
> > > We therefore are asking the ANIMA working group for adoption of the
> > following work:
> > >
> > > Title:    Information Distribution in Autonomic Networking
> > > Name:     draft-liu-anima-grasp-distribution
> > > Authors:  B. Liu, X. Xiao, A. Hecker, S. Jiang, Z. Despotovic
> > > URL:      https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-liu-anima-grasp-distribution/
> > >
> > > This document is intended to become a standards track ANIMA WG document.
> > >
> > > Standard track is desired because it is meant to become the required 
> > > small set of protocol extensions to the GRASP protocol in support of 
> > > the self-organization of ASA.
> > >
> > > Please express your support or rejection. If you think this document 
> > > should _not_ be adopted, please also explicitly indicate the reasons.
> > >
> > > For the ANIMA WG chairs,
> > >     Toerless
> > >
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