Re: [Anima] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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Thanks Michael. Should Section 8.1 now be removed as well?


> On Dec 16, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Michael Richardson <> wrote:
> {Hi Tom, I don't quite understand, but I don't seem to get emails directly
> From you.  Or perhaps it has to do with it being posted through the
> datatracker.  This is not the first review I have missed in this way.}
> We had forgotten about the content of Appendix C, which is not normative.
> It stems from an era when we were not sure how successful RFC8520 will be.
> I have issued version -31 in which we remove Appendix C rather than fix it.
> This extension could be added correctly at a later date, and at this point,
> we don't see the MUD FILE->MASA URL flow as particularly important.
> Both URLs can be in the IDevID if needed, at the cost of bytes in the IDevID
> certificate.
> I think that there are operational problems with embedding the MUD URL in the
> IDevID relating to firmware upgrades, nor is that related to this appendix.
> It is not a BRSKI issue, but it does mean that the likelyhood of a MUD URL
> being the only extension that can be afforded an IDevID is significantly less
> likely.
> --
> Michael Richardson <>, Sandelman Software Works
> -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-