[Anima] Re: Additional AD review

Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com> Sat, 05 October 2024 16:28 UTC

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HI Owen,

> On Oct 5, 2024, at 9:07 AM, Owen Friel (ofriel) <ofriel@cisco.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Mahesh.
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> [mj] I see that you have changed most instances of “Pledge" to “pledge" while changing “owner” to “Owner”, and keeping “Registrar" with a capital letter. I would have expected that you would have made all instances of “pledge” “Pledge” to distinguish it from the word “pledge”, meaning a promise. At the same time, I can see that you have used lowercase “pledge” and “registrar” in the [BRSKI] specification. 
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> To clean this out, choose one of the capitalizations (uppercase would be my preference, but I will let you decide), and apply it uniformly across the document. For example, in the terminology section, Figures 1 and 2, I see “Pledge” and in Section 9.1 title “Security Updates for the Pledge”.
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> [ofriel] https://github.com/anima-wg/brski-cloud/issues/172 <https://github.com/anima-wg/brski-cloud/issues/172> opened to track this and close it off.
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> I will admit I have not gone through the BRSKI specification. What happens if the URI of the Cloud Registrar is shutdown or moved? Is that covered by BRSKI, or is that outlined somewhere in this document?
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> [mj] I was looking for text that addresses this question in the updated document. Could you point me to it?
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> [ofriel] Michael addressed this in this PR https://github.com/anima-wg/brski-cloud/pull/169/files <https://github.com/anima-wg/brski-cloud/pull/169/files> which is at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-anima-brski-cloud-10#section-5 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-anima-brski-cloud-10#section-5>. Is this text sufficient, or do you feel this point needs further clarification?

Ahh! Thanks for pointing it out.

If the manufacturer wishes to change the URL, or discontinue the service, then the manufacturer will need to arrange for a firmware update where appropriate changes are made.

“… where appropriate changes are made”. I would have expected a little more color to this statement, but I can understand that it would span the gamut of possible changes. As such, I am letting it go.

Cheers

Mahesh Jethananndani
mjethanandani@gmail.com