Re: [Anima] Use of LLDP in draft-richardson-anima-ipv6-lldp
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Mon, 27 April 2020 19:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Anima] Use of LLDP in draft-richardson-anima-ipv6-lldp
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Thank you for the comments on draft-richardson-anima-ipv6-lldp. I include them below completely, and I'll reply to this message and address the points inline in a couple of emails. Rob Wilton \(rwilton\) <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Paul Congdon (Chair of IEEE 802.1 Maintenance Task Group, and very > familiar with LLDP) has reviewed and provided comments as an > individual. > His opinion is that this would be a serious misuse of the LLDP protocol > and cause problems for implementations. The general expectation and > design of LLDP is that the information contained in the PDUs is fairly > static in nature and does not change frequently. Assuming the IPv6 > packets are intending to implement their own protocol and will be > changing frequently, encapsulating an IPv6 packet inside an LLDP TLV > would signal a change on each transmission and possibly cause an SNMP > TRAP on each packet received by a traditional implementation. Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> also forwarded Paul's comments directly to me: Paul Congdon <paul.congdon@tallac.com> wrote: > I've had a brief look at this draft. My personal belief is that this is a > gross miss-use of the LLDP protocol. LLDP is NOT a general L2 transport > protocol. It is intended to exchange a 'relatively' static local database > with neighbors. When an LLDP agent receives a frame, it is supposed to > compare what it received with what it received the last time and if > anything is different, it will throw away all of the previous information, > replace the database with the most recently received information and > 'wake-up' the higher layers to process the changes. The expectation (and > design center for the protocol) is that things do NOT change frequently. > Assuming the IPv6 packets are intending to implement their own protocol and > will be changing frequently, encapsulating an IPv6 packet inside an LLDP > TLV would signal a change on each transmission and possibly cause an SNMP > TRAP on each packet received by a traditional implementation. If I > understand the use case correctly, the draft is seriously miss-using the > protocol and I believe others within 802.1 would agree with me. rob> I basically support Paul's comments here - I don't think that we should rob> be trying to tunnel IPv6 traffic over LLDP. rob> [As an individual] Would it be possible to carry some static rob> information in LLDP that could be used to setup the autonomic control rob> plane outside of LLDP? This would presumably require bridges to have rob> some minimal support for a native IPv6 host stack. The issue of not rob> forwarding IPv6 packets for an interface in L2 mode could potentially rob> be mitigated by targeting the IPv6 packets to the peer interface MAC rob> address, or possibly use the "Nearest Bridge group multicast MAC rob> address" (i.e. 01-80-C2-00-00-0E)? -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
- [Anima] Use of LLDP in draft-richardson-anima-ipv… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [Anima] Use of LLDP in draft-richardson-anima… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Use of LLDP in draft-richardson-anima… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Use of LLDP in draft-richardson-anima… Michael Richardson