Re: [Anima] "virtual out-of-band" ... or some minor non-ACP-number comments on Action: draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-25.txt

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

Thanks, Michael, inline

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:02:13PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
> On 2020-06-23 10:31 p.m., [e-mail] wrote:
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> >
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-25
> 
> yes, I read the diffs :-)
> 
> -   This document describes a modular design for a self-forming, self-
> -   managing and self-protecting ACP, which is a virtual in-band network
> -   designed to be as independent as possible of configuration,
> 
> +   This document describes a modular design for a self-forming, self-
> +   managing and self-protecting ACP, which is a virtual out-of-band
> +   network designed to be as independent as possible of configuration,
> 
> This change from being a virtual in-band network to a virtual out-of-band
> network must have been in response to some comments... It seems a big change
> in some ways.  I guess it makes this text consistent with the abstract which
> has said virtual out-of-band for awhile now.
> 
> But, I do have to wonder if we are creating confusion by claiming that this
> is an out-of-band mechanism, even though it's really an in-band mechanism.

Its in-band with the physcial component, it is out-of-band with the
configuration of the Data-Plane. Go figure how you compress that
into a single term that most logically captures this. I have been
using virtual out-of-band network forever for this, and Joels review
pointed out that it was not done consistently in the text.

> It's just virtually-out.
> 
> I actually do want to start a bike-shed issue here?

With a question mark. Does that mean you do or you do not ?

> Are we describing ourself wrong?  Maybe there is some portmanteau that would
> be more accurate?  I think that the above sentence is essentially the
> elevator pitch for all of ANIMA.

I am not sure if i would elevate it to "all of ANIMA", but i agree that it is
an elevator term for ACP. It is mostly focussed on operators that would
at least heart of actual out-of-band network or have one themselves.

> There is also a bunch of other text that has been added to the Introduction,
> which I think confuses more than it enlightens.
> Or at least needs a better copy-edit.

Sure, please propose better text.

> A number of other new sections (9.4..) need a copy-edit to fix some missing
> words.  I will try to help Toerless with that via github.

Thanks

Cheers
    Toerless