Re: [Anima] Martin Vigoureux's Block on charter-ietf-anima-01-05: (with BLOCK and COMMENT)

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 29 April 2019 20:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Anima] Martin Vigoureux's Block on charter-ietf-anima-01-05: (with BLOCK and COMMENT)
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Barry,

I believe your interpretation is correct.

Regards
   Brian Carpenter

On 30-Apr-19 06:59, Barry Leiba wrote:
>> I am under the impression that there is a small ambiguity in the charter, which
>> shouldn't be hard to resolve:
>>
>>    ANIMA work will rely on the framework described in
>>    draft-ietf-anima-reference-model. [...] The three areas of the framework are
>>    [...] and (3) Intent.
>>
>>    ANIMA will not work on Intent [...] without explicit rechartering.
>>
>> The first piece seems to allow for working on Intent while the second clearly
>> not (within the current charter).
> 
> I tripped over that also when I first read it, but then understood:
> the WG will rely on the framework, which includes a set of things.
> Not all of those things will be worked on via this charter.  In
> particular, "intent" is one of the things that won't be.
> 
> As I read it, I think the charter is OK.  I suppose it could be
> clarified this way:
> 
> OLD
> ANIMA work will rely on the framework described in
> draft-ietf-anima-reference-model. Work not related to this framework is welcome
> for review, but WG adoption of such work requires explicit rechartering. The
> three areas of the framework are (1) the Autonomic Networking Infrastructure
> (ANI), (2) Autonomic Functions (AF) built from software modules called
> Autonomic Service Agents (ASA) and (3) Intent.
> 
> NEW
> ANIMA work will rely on the framework described in
> draft-ietf-anima-reference-model, though only parts of the framework are
> in scope for this charter, as detailed below.  Work not related to
> this framework
> is welcome for review, but WG adoption of such work requires explicit
> rechartering.
> The three areas of the framework are (1) the Autonomic Networking Infrastructure
> (ANI), (2) Autonomic Functions (AF) built from software modules called
> Autonomic Service Agents (ASA) and (3) Intent.
> 
> END
> 
>> I'm not sure to understand what the following means:
>>
>>    Acceptance of work items by the WG will be scheduled/throttled so that
>>    contributors can target them to enter WG last call after not more than a number
>>    of IETF meeting cycles agreed by the AD.
> 
> As I read it, it means that the working group won't take on so much
> work that the work they do take on doesn't get done.  Acceptance is
> based on negotiating a schedule (based on meeting cycles), and if the
> schedule isn't met, new work items can't be accepted.
> 
> Barry
> 
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