Re: [Anima] [saag] towards using of MUST-/SHOULD+/SHOULD- in draft-ietf-autonomic-control-plane-24

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sat, 27 June 2020 01:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Anima] [saag] towards using of MUST-/SHOULD+/SHOULD- in draft-ietf-autonomic-control-plane-24
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Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote:
    > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 06:02:31PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
    >> I tried to convince Toerless to go with the MUST-/SHOULD+/SHOULD-
    >> terminology from IPsecME's RFC8247.
    >>
    >> It would be nice if SAAG lifted section 1.1 into a BCP14-like
    >> document, as I think that it has widespread applicability throughout
    >> documents that want to establish interoperable crypto.

    > Is there are reason that RFC8247's {MUST,SHOULD}[-+] wouldn't be
    > generally applicable beyond crypto?  The -/+ thing is about pithily
    > indicating likelihood of future downgrade/upgrade of the requirement/
    > recommendation -- seems generally applicable to me.

    > So.. just update RFC2119.

1) So, BCPs can point to multiple documents.
   BCP14 actually is RFC2119 and RFC8174 now, so we can add a third document if
   desired. That is, it's cheaper to not spin 2119.

2) I'm not claiming others won't use it, I just don't know if they will.
   Crypto progresses... what other things do that in the same way?

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