Re: [Anima] ANIMA: WG call for consensus BRSKI "endpoint path" modification (was: Re: Status of renaming endpoint path?)

William Atwood <william.atwood@concordia.ca> Tue, 01 September 2020 02:24 UTC

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To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, Anima WG <anima@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Anima] ANIMA: WG call for consensus BRSKI "endpoint path" modification (was: Re: Status of renaming endpoint path?)
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I support the proposed change.

  Bill Atwood

On 2020-08-31 9:59 p.m., Toerless Eckert wrote:
> Attention This email originates from outside the concordia.ca domain. // Ce courriel provient de l'exterieur du domaine de concordia.ca
> Dear ANIMA WG
> 
> This email starts a 2 week call for consensus to modify draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra
> such that new well-known URIs introduced by BRSKI will use a /.well-known/brski
> prefix instead of the pre-existing /.well-known/est prefix.
> 
> The proposed change can be seen at the following rfcdiff URL:
> 
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-43&url2=draft-richardson-anima-brski-renamed-00
> 
> This consensus call will end on September 14, 23:59 UTC
> This consensus call is ONLY for said change and not for any other aspects of BRSKI.
> 
> If you have any objections to this change, please explain them by replying to
> this email during this period. If you agree with these changes please say so as well.
> 
> FYI: What would happen afterwards ?
> 
> a) If ANIMA does not have consensus, nothing more would happen, BRSKI would continue
>    stay unchanged in RFC editor queue waiting to be released by ACP draft 
> 
> b) If ANIMA WG has rough consensus on this change:
> 
> - Warren Kumari or Robert Wilton would start a 2 week IETF consensus call on the subject.
> - When not successful, see a)
> 
> -  When successful:
> 
> - BRSKI authors would rev' the BRSKI document with the proposed text change,
> - the responsible AD (Warren) would update the YES on the document
> - Mark Nottingham as the responsible expert for the impacted IANA registry would
>   have to agree on the proposed registry change (which according to prior emails
>   he seems to be)
> - IESG would approve the change, the rev'ed version of BRSKI would go into RFC Editor queue
> 
> According to Warrens prior emails (see below), this whole process should take ca. 5 weeks,
> which is shorter than the current queue length of RFC-editor, and that is still
> predicating that ACP draft is approved quickly by IESG (see below)
> 
> Hopefully i did no misrepresent any of the FYI steps.
> 
> Thank you very much
>     Toerless (for the ANIMA WG chairs).
> 
> P.S.: appended Warrens prior summary.
> 
> P.S.2.: Warren: I didn't send this mail earlier because from your writeup below it sounded
> as if my top priority should still be to work through 1922 lines of "this should be easy to fix"
> DISCUSS/COMMENTS from IESG against ACP to shorten the time BRSKI would have to wait in RFC
> editor queue - with or without this modification. But the increasing grouching level on
> the mailing list about this subject told me that this priorization was wrong. I apologize.
> 
> In-Reply-To: <CAHw9_iJDGhn9W0TaJ6kKQi-RTtuCvFh7UVN-jb_MbP3BbP4z2g@mail.gmail.com>
> 
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 05:01:53PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Back in late July Steffan sent:
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/anima/jjusQdqzS3G4WbczolCxF0_YmQQ/
>> regarding renaming "Handling of endpoint path names (from BRSKI-AE
>> discussion today)".
>>
>> Michael has a document ready to do this:
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-43&url2=draft-richardson-anima-brski-renamed-00
>>
>> Brian was concerned that this might add an unknown additional delay:
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/anima/3Ov2s8XxQ6pnQMp6PTd9_yDc-D0/
>>
>> Luckily, if the WG does want to do this, we should be able to make it
>> happen without adding any delay (but we are running out of time...).
>>
>> If the chairs kick off a consensus call, asking for objections **on
>> this change only**, then I can do a 2 week IETF LC, also asking for
>> objections **on this change only**.
>>
>> I've already (mid-August) confirmed that the IESG is OK with this
>> process, so it would take [however long the Chairs choose to do the WG
>> consensus call for (1 week? 2 weeks?) ]  + [2 weeks IETF consensus
>> call] +[a few days of slop] = ~5 weeks...
>>
>> This document is gated on (at least)
>> draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane (which will take some time to
>> wind its way through the RFC Ed process) so if this were to occur
>> soon, there would be no added delay...
>>
>> Just FYI...
>> W
>>
>> -- 
>> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
>> idea in the first place.
>> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
>> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
>> of pants.
>>    ---maf
>>
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