Re: [Anima] RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to present on GRASP ? (was: Re: draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol (was: Re: IETF 105 mic comments on draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol))

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Sat, 14 November 2020 09:48 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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Subject: Re: [Anima] RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to present on GRASP ? (was: Re: draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol (was: Re: IETF 105 mic comments on draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol))
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Slides uploaded via propose slide. Hope that worked...

Cheers
    Toerless

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 07:12:42PM +0000, Yingzhen Qu wrote:
> Hi Toerless,
> 
> We??ll provide you a 20-mins slot in RTGWG Wednesday session. Would you please provide some details/pointers about your presentation? I need to update the agenda with the info so people have time to read up.
> 
> Thanks,
> Yingzhen
> From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org>
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 4:14 PM
> To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>de>, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org <rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org>rg>, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>rg>, ??????( 00419335) <chenshuanglong@huawei.com>om>, anima-chairs@ietf.org <anima-chairs@ietf.org>rg>, Lizhenbin <lizhenbin@huawei.com>om>, anima@ietf.org <anima@ietf.org>rg>, Guyunan <guyunan@huawei.com>om>, rwilton@cisco.com <rwilton@cisco.com>om>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
> Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org <rtgwg@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to present on GRASP ? (was: Re: draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol (was: Re: IETF 105 mic comments on draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol))
> Toerless,
> 
> We will provide a slot, most likely during the 2nd meeting.
> Please send an email to RTGWG with a short intro so people who might be interested have the time read up.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff
> On Nov 10, 2020, 11:48 AM -0800, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>om>, wrote:
> 
> I'd like to underline what Toerless said. I looked at the two use casess
> in the protocol-assisted-protocol draft and they seem very easy to
> map onto GRASP. I don't really have time before the meeting to do
> that but they are certainly use cases we could have included in the
> original use case BOF that led to ANIMA.
> 
> Regards
> Brian Carpenter
> 
> On 11-Nov-20 05:57, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> 
> In followup to the discuss on draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol:
> 
> Checking RTGWG agenda, it seems you might still have time available,
> so if you are interested, i would be happy to whip up a few slides
> to five an overview of GRASP and how we imagine it to be useable
> to automate operational workflows for various services, including
> routing protocols.
> 
> Cheers
> Toerless
> 
> In-Reply-To: <20201110165235.GA17445@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
> 
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 05:52:35PM +0100, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> 
> I see subject draft is again on the agenda of RTGWG'109 and the authors also asked
> for a slot to present to ANIMA (which we would be happy to have, time permitting).
> 
> Some thoughts as contributor, maybe ANIMA chair:
> 
> Reading the draft it looks like a reinvention of the ANIMA GRASP protocol
> that we finished almost 3 years ago, but without many of the mechanisms
> that make GRASP a well reuseable, easily extensible protocol. So i wonder
> why we would want to also do another more imited protocol for the same
> goals.
> 
> On the mike RTGWG @IETF105, interest was raised to see a more comprehensive
> signalling enxchange example. Version 03 of the document seems to have
> expanded the BGP example a bit, but still not comprehensive enough for me
> to understand if/how this approach would ultimately work.
> 
> I would like to encourage the authors to concentrate on fully specifying
> intended use-cases - ideally by simply specifying the use-case as
> solution using GRASP (we call this GRASP objectives). I am sure
> ANIMA participants (including me) would be happy to help explaining how
> to specify such a protocol on top of GRASP once we understand the use-case.
> 
> Cheers
> Toerless
> 
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:02:31AM -0400, Jeffrey Haas wrote:
> 
> To repeat my comments from the microphone regarding this draft:
> 
> We already have per-protocol operational and configuration state via the
> IETF yang models for a given protocol.
> 
> We also have mechanisms to fetch operational state for such protocols; e.g.
> netconf and restconf.
> 
> Rather than inventing a new mechanism to do troubleshooting for a protocol,
> I'd suggest it makes better sense to augment existing IETF yang models to
> include RPCs for interacting with troubleshooting for that protocol.
> 
> -- Jeff
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