Re: [Anima] FYI/Qs: liaison on ITU-T work on intent based networking (SG13-LS181)
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From: Scott Mansfield <scott.mansfield@ericsson.com>
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, "nmrg@irtf.org" <nmrg@irtf.org>, "anima@ietf.org" <anima@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Anima] FYI/Qs: liaison on ITU-T work on intent based networking (SG13-LS181)
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To answer the liaison question. When liaisons from the ITU-T come in, I request suggestions about the groups they should be circulated to, if it isn't specific to a group. If there is a desire for a response or coordination, the senders can directly contact me to help pull together/identify interested parties. Same is true in the other direction. If the IETF sends a liaison to the ITU-T, it is very important that an individual that is interested in the topic be available in the ITU-T meeting to present and coordinate action. If the liaison is just for information, then there may be no need for that level of interaction. The working methods of the ITU-T and the IETF are significantly different, but one thing is the same. Results are driven by people that are motivated to get something done. The liaison officers can help connect people, but there needs to be people that are experts in the subject matter to progress the work. Regards, -scott. -----Original Message----- From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 7:58 AM To: nmrg@irtf.org; anima@ietf.org Cc: chair@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; Scott Mansfield <scott.mansfield@ericsson.com>; zhangy88@chinatelecom.cn; tsbsg13@itu.int Subject: FYI/Qs: liaison on ITU-T work on intent based networking (SG13-LS181) FYI: anima, nmrg The ITU-T work about scenarios and requirements for intent based networking (SG13-LS181) might be of interest to participants to NMRG, ANIMA (if of RG/WG also work on this, pls. let me know and forward). I also just stumbled across it due to the following liaison statement posted on datatracker and did not have the time to read the work: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1696/ CC Q: (chair, IESG, Scott, Zhang): Q1: I am somewhat clueless about the liaison statement. I see some liasons being Cc'ed widely to interested parties in the IETF, whereas this liaison is not copied to any actual groups other than leadership. How is distribution and response responsibility being decided on ? Q2: IETF/IRTF has done / is doing work on intent and network archtiectures planning to suport intent, for example in NMRG and ANIMA (maybe other WGs as well). What is the appropriate way to let ITU-T know about this (if such dissemination of information is of interest to IETF at all... ?) Cheers Toerless
- [Anima] FYI/Qs: liaison on ITU-T work on intent b… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] FYI/Qs: liaison on ITU-T work on inte… Scott Mansfield
- Re: [Anima] FYI/Qs: liaison on ITU-T work on inte… Alexander Clemm