Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control Plane document
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 17 June 2020 20:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control Plane document
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Ben, this is getting very very tiresome. PLEASE go read RFC7282. "Rough consensus is achieved when all issues are addressed, but not necessarily accommodated" Also: A diligent chair who's been carefully listening to the discussion might think, "I have heard person X make this objection, and I've heard responses from many other folks that really address the issue. I think we have rough consensus. I will note that *I* objected to rfc822Name. (And that I changed my mind. I can live with it) But, you have been effectively weidling a veto on quite a number of drafts, and that is not in the spirit of rough consensus. It's just not your job. If it were your job, then we would not have WGs, Adopton calls, we would not do WGLC reviews, nor WG charters, etc. We'd just submit our documents to you. But, this is not only your fault: had the rest of the IESG actually voted rather than Abstained or No Comment, then we'd have actual rough consensus, and the IESG seems to have abandonned that. Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 02:14:24PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> On 16-Jun-20 12:20, Michael Richardson wrote: >> > >> > Hi, I have had a few conversations with Toerless who is trying to deal with >> > the feedback on the ACP document. >> > >> > An item that has come up is the use, or claimed abuse of the rfc822Name SAN. >> > >> > We already had this debate. >> > Some time ago. The WG decided. > With all due respect, this is not the sole decision of the ANIMA WG to > make. If WGs had such authority then why bother with cross-area > review? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane/ says: Reviews RTGDIR Last Call Review: Not Ready IOTDIR Early Review (of -18): Ready SECDIR Telechat Review (of -16): Has Issues GENART Telechat Review (of -16): Ready with Nits RTGDIR Telechat Review (of -13): Ready SECDIR Early Review (of -13): Has Issues GENART Last Call Review (of -13): Not Ready (Unfortunate that many reviewers do not update their opinion when we act on their advice. So, for instance, the SECDIR review says in her text that it is ready) I guess you feel that it hasn't been cross-area reviewed unless you have blessed it? I think you should probably disband the SECDIR, because they are clearly not helping you or anybody. In fact, those reviews are just wasting everyone's time. So, our process is that the *WG* takes these views into account, and then makes a decision. That includes sponsoring AD reviews and IESG comments. The WG took the objections to rfc822Name into account already. You do not have the right to override the WG decision. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
- [Anima] rfc822Name "abuse" in Autonomic Control P… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name "abuse" in Autonomic Contr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Russ Housley
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Sean Turner
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Russ Housley
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Brian E Carpenter
- [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic Con… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Russ Housley
- Re: [Anima] rfc822Name use in Autonomic Control P… Russ Housley
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Russ Housley
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Russ Housley
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Russ Housley
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Russ Housley
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Toerless Eckert
- [Anima] No certs for noreply (was: Re: Russ: Re: … Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Russ Housley
- Re: [Anima] No certs for noreply (was: Re: Russ: … Russ Housley
- Re: [Anima] No certs for noreply (was: Re: Russ: … Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Russ Housley
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Russ: Re: rfc822Name use in Autonomic… Michael Richardson