Re: [Anima] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Tue, 16 July 2019 19:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Anima] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:
    >> On Jul 15, 2019, at 02:39, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote:
    >> 
    >> This give you the option for that not to be the case (people needn’t
    >> worry about Siemens, Rockwell, JCI, Honeywell, or Schneider Electric
    >> going out of business anytime soon, for instance

    > When I started IETF work, Nortel would have been on your list.

It's a really good example, and I use it all the time when talking about this work.

I bought some very cheap shares just before they stopped trading, because I
thought that they might get bailed out.  So I get updates on where it is in
the bankruptcy process.  It's still not over.  The company technically still
exists.  Their VPN boxes are amazingly, still in use in my town.

I want to point out that this is why we wrote Manufacturer *AUTHORIZED*
Signing Authority.  We envision that this is a process that can be
outsourced, and that customers will insist that it is escowed.  25 years ago,
when I worked in one of the first firewall companies, dead 20 years now, I
regularly provided escrow tapes.  It's almost never worth the customers'
money to use them, but I'm sure someone has used them.

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