Re: [Anima] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Tue, 31 December 2019 19:37 UTC

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A diff against -31 is at:  https://tinyurl.com/vuls2ge
and will grow to include my responses to Ben's 2019-12-20 comments later today.

tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> wrote:
    > Yes you have removed the second YANG module which addresses my comments
    > about the second YANG module but my other comments mostly remain.
    > Those about the YANG prefix are fixed.

    > RFC8040 needs to be in the I-D References

    > IANA Considerations mentions the removed module but lacks the two
    > required actions for the remaining module

I understand now.  I wonder if idnits could be taught to find such issues :-)
Please see commit:
 https://github.com/anima-wg/anima-bootstrap/commit/75d7ef8a78b2c03cd2e558705861194357f1e643

    > XXXX is used as a place holder for a document name which is not that of
    > this I-D and does not exist AFAICT

Do you mean the self-reference should say "XXXX"?  I have used "THIS
DOCUMENT" in the past.

    > The YANG module must be plain text - [RFC8446] looks like HTML/XML

I'm confused by this comment. I see:

    > Michael, my initial posts were a response to the Genart review and so
    > did not include your name, just Anima, Anima chairs, ibagdona, IETF;
    > you are in this one as mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca (but IETF mailers may have
    > a habit of thinking you will get an e-mail via one way and suppress
    > other ways with different e-mail addresses).

Yes, I wasn't complaining about your actions, but more just lamenting: my
impression is that the problem is that DMARC is getting in the way, since the
DT acts as a remailer.   However, btconnect.com has a p=none policy, so it
shouldn't be a problem... however, maybe it fails the SPF tests themselves.
{I was forced to switch spam processing systems in the spring, and it really
has been a PITA to get it configured sensibly.  Very few of them support
IPv6, and a surprising number of them will not use TLS for final delivery.
I specifically need to whitelist everything coming from the IETF SMTP machine,
and I don't think I've accomplished that perfectly yet.}

        leaf proximity-registrar-cert {
          type binary;
          description
            "An X.509 v3 certificate structure as specified by RFC 5280,
             Section 4 encoded using the ASN.1 distinguished encoding
             rules (DER), as specified in ITU-T X.690.

             The first certificate in the Registrar TLS server
             certificate_list sequence  (the end-entity TLS certificate,
             see [RFC8446]) presented by the Registrar to the Pledge.
             This MUST be populated in a Pledge's voucher request when a
             proximity assertion is requested.";
        }

I'm not sure I see how you are seeing HTML here.
If you are looking at:
  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-31#section-3.4
then the links you are saying are because the HTMLizer sees the reference and
HTMLizes it.

    > Security Considerations lacks the required boiler plate for a YANG
    > module

I see. I have adapted the text from RFC8366, as we extend it, and the normal
template does not apply.

Fixed in commit:
  https://github.com/anima-wg/anima-bootstrap/commit/c138bbd24db038f0704770b545e74ba202a98e4e

    > Appendix A still has a typo

secification -> specification. plege->Pledge.

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