Re: [antitrust-policy] how does that affect those with no competitive interests?
Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org> Sun, 22 January 2012 17:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] how does that affect those with no competitive interests?
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I think Rigo is referring to the W3C. For those who do not know, Rigo is W3C's counsel. Stephan From: Jorge Contreras <cntreras@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:59:13 -0600 To: Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org> Cc: <antitrust-policy@ietf.org>, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, Marshall Eubanks <marshall.eubanks@gmail.com>, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] how does that affect those with no competitive interests? On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org> wrote: > > > P.S. We talked to the anti-trust authorities when we established our patent > policy and they told us there are no worries. So it is good to ask them > questions like "is our process transparent enough?" They may just say "yes". I'm just wondering who "we" are. I've been representing the IETF since 1998 and don't recall any discussion with EU competition authorities about our IPR policy. Did this happen before my time, maybe in the RFC 2026 era? If so, I'd love to hear more about who participated in this discussion, what was asked, and what the authorities said. _______________________________________________ antitrust-policy mailing list antitrust-policy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/antitrust-policy
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