Re: [antitrust-policy] An Antitrust Policy for the IETF
"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Sun, 15 January 2012 22:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] An Antitrust Policy for the IETF
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I am glad to hear that company disclosures of terms are being looked at favorably. But that was not the question I was trying to emphasis. I have seen, repeatedly, companies state licensing terms for disclosed IPR, and WGs which are unhappy with those terms. So far, so good. that is reality. What I have seen people get tempted to do is for the WG to attempt to persuade the company to change the licensing terms. That, it seems to me, is a very different kettle of fish. If the understanding of the law (probably due to judges) in that regard has changed, I would welcome being told taht. Yours, Joel On 1/15/2012 5:32 PM, Jorge Contreras wrote: > The other piece that I have been told is important, that is missing > from the prohibited lists is that the IETF MUST NOT engage in > negotiating licensing terms. The lawyers have told us repeatedly > that such would be dangerous behavior. > > Yours, > Joel > > > Joel -- the law in this area is evolving and lawyers' stated positions > sometimes vary based on their companies' business strategies and their > clients wishes. I have advised the IAOC that (1) the IETF, per se, > should not engage in licensing negotiations (meaning that the IESG, IAOC > and other bodies that are collectively representing the IETF community), > but that (2) individual companies MAY disclose and discuss licensing > terms in the context of IETF activities. Not all lawyers will agree > with point (2), and some will disagree with vehemence. However, you > should know that the US Dept. of Justice and Federal Trade Commission > have both viewed required "ex ante" disclosures of licensing terms in > SDOs with favor (or, at least, without disfavor). I would be happy to > discuss in greater detail with you, and also invite any interested > lawyers to the discussion. > > Regards, > Jorge >
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