[antitrust-policy] how does that affect those with no competitive interests?
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Fri, 20 January 2012 21:42 UTC
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Subject: [antitrust-policy] how does that affect those with no competitive interests?
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I have no skin in the money games around the IETF these days since I currently work in a University. The same is true of a bunch of IETF participants of various kinds, at various times over the duration of their participation. Why can't I just ignore all this, since I'm not being anti-competitive even if I do some of these supposedly bad things? If (as I believe) I basically can, in terms of the various known competition/anti-trust laws, then this putative policy would cause us to be distinguishing between IETF participants on the basis of their employers (or lack thereof) which I think is a bad thing. As it happens, since I've currently got an IETF management hat, I don't believe that I am currently able to ignore the kinds of constraint. Read the above as if I had no such hat. I also believe that one shouldn't do some of these things since it'd be dumb. But that's also beside the point. S On 01/15/2012 08:38 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > >> Based on the length of this thread, it is clear to me that more discussion is needed, but I do not think that the IETF mail list is the place to have it. So, the antitrust-policy mail list has been set up to continue the discussion. >> >> It is clear to me that many people are questioning what would go in such a policy. I have been working on a strawman. It is short, but it answers the question about what topics would be covered. I will post that strawman to the antitrust-policy mail list for discussion from two perspectives. First, does the IETF want to adopt an antitrust policy. Second, the strawman will provide the basis for a conversation on the content of such a policy if the consensus is that the IETF wants to adopt one. >> >> I'll wait a few days so that people have time to join the antitrust-policy mail list before the discussion begins. > > > When I announced this mail list, I said that i would post a strawman to answer the question about what such a policy would include. Here it is. > > Russ > > === === === === === > > Existing IETF process and procedures were specifically designed to avoid > problems with antitrust and competition laws. The IETF has an open > decision process, explicit rules for intellectual property, and a > well-defined appeals process. All of these contribute to the robust > standards development process used by the IETF. > > Yet, it is worth reminding all IETF participants that all IETF meetings, > including virtual meetings, shall be conducted in compliance with all > applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. > > Some participants at IETF meetings are undoubtedly employed by > competitors of the employers of other IETF meeting participants. > Accordingly, IETF meeting participants are expected to avoid even > the appearance of impropriety. > > IETF meeting participants MUST NOT: > > - discuss product prices, product profits, internal product cost, > bidding, terms of bidding, allocation of customers, division of > sales markets, sales territories, or marketing strategies; > > - condition or discuss conditioning the implementation of an IETF > specification on the implementer’s use of products or services from > a particular supplier; > > - discuss agreements to collectively refuse or conditionally refuse to > do business with a particular supplier; > > - suggest any action for the purpose of giving one company or a few > companies significant competitive advantage over others; > > - present or exchange proprietary information; or > > - share non-public status or substance of ongoing or threatened > litigation. > > All IETF meeting participants MUST disclose patents or patent > applications reasonably and personally known to them. Please > review the IETF IPR rules in RFC 3979. > > IETF meeting participants MAY: > > - discuss technical considerations of any proposals, including relative > costs to implement, operate, and support them; > > - discuss licensing costs of essential patent claims associated with > different technical approaches; > > - discuss the likelihood that adoption of a particular technical > approach would subject implementers to a greater or lesser risk of > patent litigation; > > - discuss or present broad market potential or market requirements for > informational purposes. > > If you observe behavior in violation of these guidelines at an IETF > meeting, please do not be silent; formally object. > > _______________________________________________ > antitrust-policy mailing list > antitrust-policy@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/antitrust-policy >
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