Re: [antitrust-policy] feedback on draft 06

This exchanged jogged my memory about the exchange we had on the list back in April about training materials and/or sessions. Are those in the works?

Alissa

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 5:17 PM, Kristin Berdan <kberdan=40cloudflare.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Joel, I'll take away from your message that this is simply intended as a brief educational guide.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 1:05 PM Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com <mailto:jmh@joelhalpern.com>> wrote:
>> The connections are much mor enuanced.
>> 
>> Among the complications is the fact that BoF results are not binding on the community.  They are NOT community rough consensus.
>> 
>> Where I started in pursuing this is largely irrelevant, but it is neither the BoF results nor the LLC statement.   Where we have ended up is an educational document which is consonant with the BoF results.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>> On 8/4/2023 1:19 PM, Kristin Berdan wrote:
>>> I read the list archive. If y'all are happy with the general statement at the top that's already there, " This document is
>>>    intended to educate IETF participants about how to reduce antitrust 
>>>    risks in connection with IETF activities," that's fine. On its face, the connection between the 2020 LLC statement on competition law and this doc is unclear -- that 2020 statement says "The conclusion of the 2012 BOF was ... that educational materials should be made available to the IETF community" -- that is why I thought this current draft was intended to be responsive to that recommendation for "educational materials."
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:19 AM Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org <mailto:exec-director@ietf.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> > On 4 Aug 2023, at 16:13, Kristin Berdan <kberdan@cloudflare.com <mailto:kberdan@cloudflare.com>> wrote:
>>>> > 
>>>> > Thanks for the responses, Jay and Joel. Apologies for not understanding the motivation for this document -- I did the best I could to glean it from the mailing list archives. It would be very helpful for me and probably other readers to know then, what is the motivation for and goal of this document?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The best way to find that is read the list archive.  In this case if you start with this message https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/antitrust-policy/f1iHM9p8N-U8p_pXen2ruDqjPPQ/ that should give you the gist of it.
>>>> 
>>>> cheers
>>>> Jay
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jay Daley
>>>> IETF Executive Director
>>>> exec-director@ietf.org <mailto:exec-director@ietf.org>
>>>> 
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