Re: [antitrust-policy] Should the IETF allow discussion of licensing costs
Jorge Contreras <cntreras@gmail.com> Fri, 20 January 2012 22:05 UTC
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From: Jorge Contreras <cntreras@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] Should the IETF allow discussion of licensing costs
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On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>wrote: > > > On 01/20/2012 09:35 PM, Jorge Contreras wrote: > >> One way would be to prohibit only "collective negotiation of disclosed >> royalty terms" or something along those lines. Thus, discussion that >> falls short of "collective negotiation" would be allowed. >> > > Maybe I'm too literal but I find it hard to see the difference > between a sequence of questions asking for more clarity and > collectively hassling the IPR holder to be nicer. (At least when > the clarifying questions are framed by the right kind of > subtle folks that are common around here;-) > > > S > > Ultimately making that distinction in terms of actual behavior would be a question of fact for a court. However, in terms of writing a policy, it does not seem like the distinction is difficult to describe as outlined above.
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