Re: [antitrust-policy] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust/

[Joel Halpern <[e-mail]>]

As you note, the document is informational.  As such, I do not 
understand how the document could assign responsibility for oversight to 
anyone.  Assigning responsibility is a policy matter, not an 
informational one.

Yours,

Joel

On 2/24/2023 1:46 AM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:
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>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 4:13 PM Salz, Rich <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>     I think picking one person to be responsible for enforcement is a
>     very bad idea.
>
>
> This document is informational, so the reader needs to know who is 
> responsible for such policy, as any policy in any_organisation/IETF 
> should have a way of control or responsibility noticed. The 
> key_recommend_section within the draft gives recommendations but I did 
> not know if I should (as all participants) be responsible  for such 
> anti-trust, or one person or two, etc.
>
>     There are thousands of IETF participants and probably hundreds of
>     thousands of conversations.
>
>
> the most important discus_ones are the IESG conversations which may be 
> affected by the related policy, IMHO this policy is related 
> to organisation managements not staff or participants.
>
>     Nobody can enforce compliance across that. Second, picking one
>     person as the compliance person would be painting a big target
>     marker on their back, for any patent-happy entity that wishes to sue.
>
>
> The authors need to decide to not ignore such important information 
> the reader may want to know. However, I don't think it is a bad idea 
> to give information about responsibilities within IETF, and if no 
> one/some are responsible I think it will be good to add as information 
> to the reader to understand.
>
> AB
>
>     *From: *Abdussalam Baryun <[e-mail]>
>     *Date: *Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:00 AM
>     *To: *Joel Halpern <[e-mail]>
>     *Cc: *"[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
>     *Subject: *Re: [antitrust-policy]
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust/
>
>     I think one of the key recommendation is to add: (XXXX) is
>     recommended to be responsible to insure antitrust-policies and to
>     monitor activities that are related to this matters.
>
>     IMHO the IETF chair, should be the responsible member within the
>     document, however, this document needs to inform us who is the
>     member to be monitoring this policy or who is the one that we can
>     depend on.
>
>     AB
>
>     On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 3:47 PM Joel Halpern <[e-mail]>
>     wrote:
>
>         When this was dispatched, I said I would poke folks again.
>
>         The authors would very much appreciate comments, opinions, and
>         better
>         discussion of, this draft.  We would like to be able to submit a
>         revision addressing concerns by the cutoff, to align with the
>         ADs goal.
>
>         Thank you,
>
>         Joel
>
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