Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust Policy for the IETF
Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Fri, 20 January 2012 19:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust Policy for the IETF
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John: >> If you observe behavior in violation of these guidelines at an IETF >> meeting, please do not be silent; formally object. > > What does that mean? Let's say I hear two guys in the next row > talking about product pricing. I say, hey, you can't talk about that. > They laugh at me and continue. Now what? > > Or if this instruction or something like it goes into the Note Well, > it's making every IETF attendee responsible for the behavior of > everyone else. If someone's hauled into court, they're going to say > well, gee, the IETF specifically tells people to police anti-trust > violations, nobody said anything to us about it, so the IETF agreed > with what we did. > > I have trouble imagining a problem this mess is supposed to solve that > is anywhere near as ugly as the swamp it's leading into. I'd like to think that we do not need to assign someone to enforce the antitrust policy. I see them a guidelines for proper behavior. When we see someone do something surprising on a mail list (such as posting a job opening) they person gets a lot of private messages to stop. If they continue, public messages follow. This usually gets the behavior corrected. This is in like with the story shared by Brian. Russ
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … david.black
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … david.black
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … david.black
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Russ Housley
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Jorge Contreras
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Jorge Contreras
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Russ Housley
- Re: [antitrust-policy] An antitrust memo strawman John Levine