Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust Policy for the IETF
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 16 January 2012 03:05 UTC
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Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust Policy for the IETF
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On 2012-01-16 14:08, John R Levine wrote: > Temporarily skipping over the question of what practical problem this > is supposed to solve, I have some practical questions. > >> If you observe behavior in violation of these guidelines at an IETF >> meeting, please do not be silent; formally object. > > What does that mean? I hear two guys in the next row talking about > product pricing. I say, hey, you can't talk about that. They laugh at > me and continue. Now what? I once heard someone interrupt a speaker by saying "If you don't stop talking about that right now, I will leave the room, because of advice from my anti-trust lawyer" (or words to that effect; this was many years ago). Since this was a pretty prominent IETF individual, the speaker shut up immediately. The point was that by being in the room during such a conversation you could possibly be deemed to have taken part in it. So I'd say it would be in your own interest to object or walk out. IANAL. > Or if this instruction or something like it goes into the Note Well, > it's making every IETF attendee responsible for the behavior of > everyone else. If someone's hauled into court, they're going to say > well, gee, the IETF specifically tells people to police anti-trust > violations, nobody said anything to us about it, so the IETF agreed > with what we did. > > I have trouble imagining a problem this mess is supposed to solve that > is anywhere near as ugly as the swamp it's leading into. Yes, wouldn't it be better to position this item as a guideline on how to avoid anti-trust issues rather than as a formal rule? The responsibility should be clearly on the individuals, not on the IETF. Brian
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … david.black
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … david.black
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … david.black
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Russ Housley
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Jorge Contreras
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Jorge Contreras
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Russ Housley
- Re: [antitrust-policy] An antitrust memo strawman John Levine