Re: [antitrust-policy] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust/

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Hiya,

On 27/02/2023 15:42, Jay Daley wrote:
> make it clearer that this is informational/educational then please speak up

Please remove terms like "red flag" and change the
terminology e.g. renaming to "4.1 Example topics
better avoided" and "4.2 Topics where extra caution
is warranted."

I'm not sure it'll be possible to ever get the examples
in 4.1 sufficiently crisp to be helpful and non-problematic,
e.g, I don't think the following are inappropriate at all
never mind "particularly inappropriate" nor that prudence
would suggest avoiding 'em:

- "product pricing" - we can and do discuss open-source
as a positive and that's related to a price of zero (for
e.g. the code)

- "supply chains" - discussion of e.g. SolarWinds and
similar supply chain attacks is valid

Yes, there are discussions related to the above that
ought not be part of IETF discourse, but the current
wording seems wrong to me, and very hard (or impossible)
to get "just right."

Cheers,
S.