Re: [Apn] Further revised draft Charter

Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Tue, 07 February 2023 21:38 UTC

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From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2023 16:38:38 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Apn] Further revised draft Charter
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Hi,

Thanks for your comments.

See below

On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 5:16 AM hsyu <hsyu@cfiec.net> wrote:
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> Hi, All
>
> I have thoroughly reviewed the APN Chapter and all the responses. To Ted's concern, I wonder whether it is because the scope of the Charter is not clearly defined. The text in the Chapter states "A Common APNET FIELD will be added to Data Plane Packets at the Network Domain Ingress Edge and removed at the Domain Egress Edge." It's not clear whether the "Domain Ingress Edge" refers to a User Device or a Network Device. Similarly, it's unclear if the "Domain Egress Edge" is a device or network. Would clarifying the definition of the Domain boundaries help make the scope of the APN work more clear?

The intent was that the Domain Ingress Edge and Domain Egress edge be
devices under the control of the domain management. This should be
clarified in the Charter.

Thanks,
Donald
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 Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
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> Haisheng Yu (Johnson)
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> Director of Prospective Technology Laboratory, China Future Internet Engineering Center
> Researcher at Macau University of Science and Technology
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> ---- Replied Message ----
> From Donald Eastlake<d3e3e3@gmail.com>
> Date 1/18/2023 10:04
> To <apn@ietf.org>
> Cc <apn-chairs@ietf.org>
> Subject [Apn] Further revised draft Charter
> I've gotten some comments and I've re-read some of the AD DISCUSSES and comments. Based on that I've updated the draft Charter as attached.  Comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Donald
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>  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
>  2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
>  d3e3e3@gmail.com