[apps-discuss] URI registrywas: Re: The state of 'afs' URi scheme

"Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Wed, 09 February 2011 03:32 UTC

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Subject: [apps-discuss] URI registrywas: Re: The state of 'afs' URi scheme
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I'm cc'ing the IRI WG list. One of the deliverables of the IRI WG is an 
update of RFC 4395. You can see the current version at 

Given that there is a WG chartered to work on these issues, I suggest to 
move the discussion there.

Regards,   Martin.

On 2011/02/08 20:16, t.petch wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Masinter"<masinter@adobe.com>
> To: "Ben Niven-Jenkins"<ben@niven-jenkins.co.uk>s.co.uk>; "Mykyta Yevstifeyev"
> <evnikita2@gmail.com>
> Cc:<apps-discuss@ietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 5:46 AM
>> I think in general the overhead in maintaining current information about old
> registered values is too high, and that it *is* worth time thinking about how we
> could lower the overhead for registry maintenance.
>> There are a number of related issues raised about various registered values,
> including MIME type, charset, and URI schemes.
>> Ideally a registry is a place where a new implementor can go to discover both
> the theory and current practice for use of registered values on the internet. I
> think the current processes cope OK with theory (although the overhead of
> updating the registry when there is a new spec is high, it might be acceptable)
> but not with practice (where implementation and deployment sometimes is in
> advance of, or divergent from, the formal specs).
>> The situation is more acute in areas where protocols and formats are
> undergoing rapid development.
>> So I agree that writing a document marking 'afs' as 'obsolete' is make-work
> and not-worth anyone's time, but how could we make it easier (light-weight
> annotation) without subjecting ourselves to DOS of unreliable annotation?
> The problem, at least for URI, is RFC4395, which gives the procedures for new
> schemes
> and failed to consider old schemes.  RFC1738 did not make afs: provisional or
> historic,
> it merely asked that the name be reserved.  IANA, arguably incorrectly, places
> afs: under
> Provisional citing RFC1738 as its source.  But RFC1738 does not tell them to do
> that!
> So, arguably, we could tell IANA to create a provisional registry as RFC1738
> told them to
> and make it light weight, no need for IETF/IESG involvement unless and until a
> move
> to Provisional or Permanent is envisaged, using Expert Review in other cases of
> change.
> (I know of no other way of changing things in the IETF, which is what I see as a
> constraint
> we have to accept).
> Or we could write a just-once catch-all RFC that picks up all these old ones,
> and defines
> a procedure for them (ie not a registration, but a procedure for registration,
> such as
> reinforcing the need for a Reserved category and placing those in it that should
> always have
> been in it).
> Tom Petch
>> Larry
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