Re: [apps-discuss] IETF technical plenary: the end of application protocols

SM <> Tue, 22 March 2011 08:46 UTC

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Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 01:47:52 -0700
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Hi Hannes,
At 00:24 22-03-2011, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote:
> > Instead of talking about finding a role in this "post-standardization
> > environment" [sic], the IETF might as well shut down the Applications
> > Area and create a Web Area.
>Two points:
>A) A few groups with relevance to the Web have recently been created in
>the applications area.
>Examples: OAuth, Websec, hybi
>B) You phrase it in a bad way that we talk about this topic. What is
>wrong with looking at trends in the industry that some of us are seeing
>happening? You can make fun about the way we wrote the document and my
>English writing skills.

I'll respond to your last point first.  I don't see anything wrong 
with your English writing skills.  I did not even think of that.  If 
I did, I would definitely not make fun about it.  I commented on the 
paragraphs about "The Future of Applications" at  When I see terms like 
"post-standardization environment", "forward-looking statements" come 
to mind.  Such terms are also used by people with excellent English 
writing skills.  I read "post-standardization environment" in terms 
of an organization trying to find something to do when its mission is 
obsoleted by events.

I am aware of the work being carried out in OAuth, Websec and Hybi.

There is nothing wrong with discussing about the trends in the 
industry.  The arguments that are being made are, in my opinion, 
similar to those made in RFC 3903.