[apps-discuss] HYBI

Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Fri, 25 March 2011 08:18 UTC

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Dave Cridland wrote:

> On Tue Mar 22 07:49:22 2011, Graham Klyne wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I can think of two simple (to describe) capabilities that  
>> would help to make the web more widely usable as a application  
>> platform:
>>
>> (a) a *simple* mechanism for pushing asynchronous notifications to  a 
>> web application (browser-based or otherwise).  I had early hopes  for 
>> HyBi, but have somewhat given up.
>
> As have many.

While I understand community frustration about HYBI WG discussions, I 
think people really need to look now at the latest protocol spec. The 
document has been improved substantially and I think it is actually 
implementable at this point in time.

> Another option would be to use XMPP directly in the browser - not  
> some hacked down variant communicating only with the webserver's  
> approved domain, but full XMPP. This has different properties  
> entirely from WebSockets, but those properties give rise to some  
> interesting concepts.

I would also like XMPP to be used directly by browsers, but if this 
doesn't happen, I think something close enough to the current HYBI 
protocol is going to be good enough.