[apps-discuss] call blocking was Re: Mail client configuration via WebFinger
t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> Tue, 09 February 2016 11:10 UTC
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Subject: [apps-discuss] call blocking was Re: Mail client configuration via WebFinger
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Hallam-Baker" <ietf@hallambaker.com> To: "John C Klensin" <john-ietf@jck.com> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 7:56 PM > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:26 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: > > Cyrus, > > > > Thanks for stepping in on this. A few comments and > > clarifications below... > > > > --On Monday, February 08, 2016 09:54 -0500 Cyrus Daboo > > <cyrus@daboo.name> wrote: > <snip> > I agree with John's conclusion but with an older argument. Namely that > people have tried to use DNS for account type information since > RFC1035 was published and none have been successful. > > In my view, the DNS is the Infrastructure that maps DNS names onto > current descriptions of services. So extending the use of the DNS for > DANE like purposes with respect to TLS is certainly within scope of > the DNS. Attempting to use the DNS for account based information has > consistently failed. > > John's raising of the privacy argument seems to me to be the capstone > of this argument because all of the reasons people have given me for > not making information in LDAP or X.500 directories publicly > accessible are essentially privacy arguments. The concern that head > hunters would use the company directory to cold call people is a form > of privacy argument. > > The reason I thought I would flag this is that if we are going to > build such an infrastructure, we should probably start from the idea > that privacy is a paramount concern and plan accordingly. > > I do have some code that might be relevant to this problem in the > Mathematical Mesh but it is not a problem that I have considered > except in the abstract so far. > > It seems to me that any mechanism that would allow contact information > to be shared would have to leverage two separate principals > > 1) Social media style 'friend' links > 2) Progressive disclosure (aka kimono protocol). > > My email information is online but not my telephone number. I really, > really want to get rid of the telephone number ASAP because I am > getting half a dozen spam calls a day now. Even with nomorobo in > place, each spam call still causes one ring and that is starting to be > a hassle. Phillip I have a CallBlocker which suppresses all rings, and the difference it makes is magic. The phone still logs a call, giving time, number and a flashing red light which I notice only when I am willing to be interrrupted. The box is American so I imagine it will work with half the world's networks. The weakness is the lack of data entry, not even a web interface, so I cannot add numbers to its directory except by catching a call and pressing a button while it is in progress so I am still hassled by those that ring when I am out and fill up my VoiceMail. And, crooks are smarter than phone companies so they are now using forged source addresses - no RPF for the phone - to bypass the blocks so the effectiveness of the blocking is diminishing. Thank heavens for e-mail (even if I have to configure it:-). Tom Petch > <snip>
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