Re: [apps-discuss] [Uri-review] Provisional URI registrations
Graham Klyne <GK-lists@ninebynine.org> Tue, 23 November 2010 16:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] [Uri-review] Provisional URI registrations
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Michael, thanks for the clarification. I clearly skimmed the discussion too quickly - I didn't pick up that the scheme was lacking a definition. I think my latest response to Alfred applies. #g -- Michael Wojcik wrote: >> From: uri-review-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:uri-review-bounces@ietf.org] >> On Behalf Of Alfred HÎnes >> Sent: Monday, 22 November, 2010 15:35 >> >> Graham Klyne wrote: >> >>> Having made a very quick review of that discussion (w.r.t. tn3270), I >>> feel there is a consensus that the appropriate response to to say >>> "that's fine, it has a definition, let's leave it there". >> Well, that's been one of the points where opinions seem to differ. >> I could not find a definition, only RFC 1738 "reserving the name for >> future definition". The users of TN3270 service so far have claimed >> there would be a definition, but nobody has shown it so far, and some >> indications have been reported of different, non-interoperable >> definitions as well. I don't want to take a position on that now. > > As far as I can tell, the situation is this: > > - There is no definition of the tn3270 scheme. > > - There are applications which interpret tn3270 URIs, by starting a client that implements some flavor of TN3270. > > - There is no single definition of a TN3270 service, which is what the scheme presumably refers to. There are definitions of various pieces of Classic TN3270, definitions of "best practices" for Classic TN3270, and a definition of TN3270E. > > - There are various implementations of TN3270 service (client and server), most or all of which are probably not fully compliant with the various definitions. > > - Those implementations are generally interoperable, but sometimes with caveats (eg reduced functionality). > > So I think it's fair to say that: > > 1) There is no definition of the tn3270 scheme. > > 2) While there's a working understanding of what specifications contribute to a "standard" implementation of TN3270 service, there is no single definition of that service. That makes defining the scheme more difficult. > > I'd also suggest that while a single definition of the TN3270 service, and a definition and proper registration of the tn3270 scheme, are desirable, in practice I don't believe they'd have much effect. IBM hasn't shown any inclination to bring its client implementation into conformance with the extant TN3270E specification (RFC 2355), for example. > > I don't have strong feelings about whether the "tn3270" scheme is labelled "provisional" or "historic". Again, I don't think it will make any difference to implementors, who will treat tn3270-scheme URIs however they like. (I'm an implementor myself, but thus far I've only dealt with the server side, which never sees such URIs, so it hasn't come up.) >
- Re: [apps-discuss] Provisional URI registrations Alfred Hönes
- Re: [apps-discuss] [Uri-review] Provisional URI r… Michael Wojcik
- Re: [apps-discuss] [Uri-review] Provisional URI r… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Provisional URI registrations Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] [Uri-review] Provisional URI r… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] [Uri-review] Provisional URI r… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
- Re: [apps-discuss] [Uri-review] Provisional URI r… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] [Uri-review] Provisional URI r… Michael Wojcik
- Re: [apps-discuss] [Uri-review] Provisional URI r… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Provisional URI registrations Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
- Re: [apps-discuss] [Uri-review] Provisional URI r… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] [Uri-review] Provisional URI r… Michael Wojcik