Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF
Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Thu, 11 August 2011 19:37 UTC
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> I would merely add a charter point saying something like "The working group > shall ensure that no changes are made that prevent full backward compatibility > with RFC4408 unless such changes are urgently needed." I think the real point here is not just to *say* that, but to explain what's going on. Put it in the context of what the WG *is* and *isn't* doing at this stage. That means that what you want to say is that the working group is, at this charter stage, documenting the *existing*, widely implemented protocol, which has sufficiently broad, interoperable deployment to be on Standards Track. Say that there are suggestions for changes that are not part of the current widespread implementation, some of which are not backward compatible, and that *all* these changes (whether backward compatible or not) could be in scope for a future recharter or new working group, but are not in scope here. Barry, as participant
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF J.D. Falk
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF J.D. Falk
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Julian Mehnle
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Julian Mehnle
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF J.D. Falk
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Julian Mehnle
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Updating the status of SPF Frank Ellermann