Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-shelby-exi-registration-01.txt
Zach Shelby <zach@sensinode.com> Fri, 13 April 2012 06:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-shelby-exi-registration-01.txt
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On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:57 PM, Ned Freed wrote: >> So it seems like +exi *could* be used if the representation stuck to >> only using the generic dictionary and eschewed any type-specific >> out-of-band dictionaries. > > Agreed. That would make the definition of +exi acceptable. Whether or not > that's an acceptable restriction for users of EXI is, of course, another > question entirely. Using EXI in its normal mode is already fine as a content-encoding. The problem we need to solve here is exactly the Schema-informed mode where an indication of out-of-band dictionary information is needed, and where the use of content-encoding is not really appropriate (as we all seem to agree). Now I am as much on the fence as Ned it here about this. Seems we are in a sticky situation where serializations that require OOB dictionary information fall between RESTful cracks. Examples of these that I know of include: - ASN.1 PER - EXI Schema-informed mode - Google Protocol Buffers - Surely more... These tend to be applied in M2M and other applications where data efficiency is extremely important and using OOB dictionary information is what gives us that efficiency. Zach -- Zach Shelby, Chief Nerd, Sensinode Ltd. http://www.sensinode.com http://zachshelby.org - My blog "On the Internet of Things" http://6lowpan.net - My book "6LoWPAN: The Wireless Embedded Internet" Mobile: +358 40 7796297
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- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Yusuke DOI
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carine Bournez
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Paul E. Jones
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Zach Shelby
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Zach Shelby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carine Bournez
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Yusuke DOI
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carine Bournez
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Zach Shelby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Tony Hansen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Tony Hansen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carine Bournez
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Zach Shelby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Tony Hansen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Zach Shelby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Zach Shelby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carine Bournez
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Tony Hansen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Zach Shelby
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carine Bournez
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Zach Shelby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Tony Hansen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Carine Bournez
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: New Version Notification … Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Zach Shelby
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Tony Hansen
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Ned Freed