Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-00 and our lawn -- feedback?

I can only confirm what Mark and Tim said. WEIRDS may be a new protocol, 
but HTTP isn't, and URIs aren't new, either. Both come with quite a few 
good practices that have been established over the more than 20 years 
that these are in use now.

Regards,   Martin.

On 2014/02/13 11:05, Tim Bray wrote:
> Speaking as a Web-centric sort of person and an Apps Area reviewer, if any
> further specs come forward that try to do a URI-space land-grab, I can
> promise you loud and sustained objections.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Mark Nottingham<mnot@mnot.net>  wrote:
>
>> It's this attitude that I (and apparently other Web folks here) find
>> disturbing -- to paraphrase, "we're building a new protocol, so we don't
>> have to worry about what we do to the Web."
>>
>> Because WEIRDS has opted into using HTTP and URIs, it's opted into the
>> Web, and that means it shouldn't harm other uses of the Web.
>>
>> Squatting on URIs is bad practice on the Web. Requiring implementations to
>> use certain URI patterns is bad practice on the Web. And so on.
>>
>> While there may be no existing RDAP servers, the Web is pre-existing (and
>> doing pretty well). If WEIRDS doesn't want to honour its architectural
>> constraints, that's fine -- RDAP can use or define something else.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12 Feb 2014, at 9:32 am, John Levine<johnl@taugh.com>  wrote:
>>
>>>> domain: example.com
>>>>    rel: domainlookup    href-template:
>> http://example.com/lookup/{domain}
>>>>
>>>> I'm very curious to hear what other APPS folks think about this
>>>
>>> RDAP is a new design.  There are no existing RDAP servers other than a
>>> few prototypes run by people on the WEIRDS list.  There's nothing to
>>> be backward compatible with.
>>>
>>> RDAP is intended as a replacement for WHOIS, to answer the same
>>> questions that people ask now using WHOIS, e.g. information about
>>> domain names, IP addresses, ASNs, and a few other things.  The
>>> questions that people ask with WHOIS haven't changed materially in 20
>>> years, and I see no reason to expect them to change in the future.
>>>
>>> Small RDAP servers will likely adapt the RDAP prototype being funded
>>> by ICANN.  Large RDAP servers will be written by a handful of large
>>> registries, all of which are represented on the WEIRDS list and can
>>> speak for themselves, but I can't remember any of them showing notable
>>> enthusiasm for templates.
>>>
>>> In this particular application, I really can't see any benefit to
>>> templates other than the ability to be gratuitously different just to
>>> prove that you can.
>>>
>>> R's,
>>> John
>>
>> --
>> Mark Nottingham   http://www.mnot.net/
>>
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