Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis: PS or DS?
Mykyta Yevstifeyev <evnikita2@gmail.com> Thu, 08 September 2011 14:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis: PS or DS?
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Sorry for late response.. I actually think that removal of the requirement which is hardly useful should not be a constraint for advancing the document as Full Standard. If somebody feels that such constrain is useful, and it is really useful, then removing it requires recycling as PS. However, with a constructive change being done, this isn't a problem. Mykyta Yevstifeyev 02.09.2011 23:25, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > RFC3462 is currently DS. There's some question as to whether or not this revision qualifies to remain at DS, or forces a recycle at PS. > > The only material change is the removal of a constraint. On the face of it, it would seem that this doesn't disqualify it from remaining at DS. In addition, Ned has said that many implementations ignore the constraint, so it's harmless to remove it. (Ned, could you elucidate on this in support of one position or the other?) > > On the other hand, absent specific data about whether or not this change might break anything, it might be more correct to do a turn back at PS until we get some feedback (or, perhaps, the absence of it). > > So, this is a point we need to discuss. > > Discussion? > > -MSK > _______________________________________________ > apps-discuss mailing list > apps-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss >
- [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc… internet-drafts
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… John Levine
- [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis: PS … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis:… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis:… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis:… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis:… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis:… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis:… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis:… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis:… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis:… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis:… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Keith Moore
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Keith Moore
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis:… Pete Resnick
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
- Re: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy