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Re: [apps-discuss] IETF technical plenary: the end of application protocols

Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> Mon, 21 March 2011 17:14 UTC

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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:12:40 -0400
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] IETF technical plenary: the end of application protocols
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On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 13:07, Dave CROCKER <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:
> On 3/21/2011 9:58 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>>
>>> One is that it mandates full-time connectivity.
>>
>> No; it does not mandate full-time connectivity. It only mandates
>> connectivity
>> between the client and the server.
>
> ??? That's the connectivity I am referring to.

This morning I was using one of these web-based mail services in
offline mode.  It caught up when I reconnected.

>>  For example, look at your Web-based email
>
> I don't use web-based mail.  I realize that that mode is extremely popular
> and that it is a useful mode, but I find it problematic, for a number of the
> reasons we've been discussing on this thread.

You should try out some browser-based, cloud-based tools so you have
more experience in this area. :-)

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