Re: [apps-discuss] CONTEXTJ in TLD DNS-Labels (draft-liman-tld-names-05)

John C Klensin <> Wed, 20 July 2011 16:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] CONTEXTJ in TLD DNS-Labels (draft-liman-tld-names-05)
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--On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 07:16 -0700 Paul Hoffman
<> wrote:

>> ICANN has agreed to change the process for getting new names
>> put in the root zone.  The new (and approved) model for
>> obtaining a TLD as of next year is essentially "pay your
>> application fee and, unless a very narrow range of objections
>> occurs, you get the name".  All, or substantially all, of the
>> requirements for staff or third-party review that carried, in
>> your words, "horrendous weight", have been eliminated.  The
>> proposed application fee (USD 180000) is high enough to
>> discourage some types of applicants, but that does not make
>> the process "horrendous" -- one can either decide the TLD is
>> important enough pay it or not.

> How does buying a domain name for a large amount of money,
> using a stable corporate address, and doing the hosting using
> well-known servers constitute phishing? The argument you give
> here suggests that draft-liman-tld-names should add a new
> prohibition on TLDs that could be considered confusing; I hope
> you don't mean that.

Paul, all I said, and all I meant, is that one cannot assume
that the process of obtaining a TLD involves the complex review
for appropriateness (of the name, the operator, or the planned
use) that was ICANN's norm in the first or second rounds of TLD
applications.  That is simply no longer the case: to a very
large extent, the new model is "pay your money, get your name,
do what you like with it".  My note deliberately did not comment
on whether I thought that was good or bad, much less about
whether it "consistute phishing" or anything else.