Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC on draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-00

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Tue, 07 May 2013 23:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC on draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-00
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On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote:

> 1. It's usually not necessary for the obsolescent document to be a
> normative reference, as the obsoleting document has all the necessary
> information.  That's certainly true in this case, and I suggest making
> the reference informative.
>

Did that in -01 (just posted).


> 2. Have I told you how unhappy I am with the citation style you use?
>

Not until now!

It's generally not something I'm willing to argue about, preferring to
> defer to the authors' style of citations, but in this case it seems
> particularly bad.  May I suggest this?:
>
> OLD
>    [AR-ORIG] defined a new header field for electronic mail messages
>    that presents the results of a message authentication effort in a
>    machine-readable format.
>
> NEW
>    The first edition of this document [RFC5451] defined a new header
>    field for electronic mail messages that presents the results of a
>    message authentication effort in a machine-readable format.
>
> ...and replace all other instances of "[AR-ORIG]" with "[RFC5451]" (or
> even just "RFC 5451"; how many citations to the same document do you
> need?).
>

Done for the next version.