Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A8721F8548 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:06:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.338 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.338 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.339, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_15=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J16V+JCPr5aA for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from biz104.inmotionhosting.com (biz104.inmotionhosting.com [173.247.254.120]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B4221F861E for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:06:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=standardstrack.com; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-Source:X-Source-Args:X-Source-Dir; b=k7X+T5MwnpGTPAspzUVyR/wkVv/7l1np7jWztph+eT+/D60ZNVQlCmp842rcoVX0GH1zPntnuZJo+6Uj4AYOmvdmuRAW11wC/4+88cf+8yEPh258pAV/36iLKaDqIEQK; Received: from ip68-100-199-8.dc.dc.cox.net ([68.100.199.8]:58031 helo=[192.168.15.184]) by biz104.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RPeS3-0003ci-Mn for apps-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:06:44 -0800 From: Eric Burger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-166--696982848; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:06:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: "apps-discuss@ietf.org Discuss" References: Message-Id: <8D5D1E18-FA41-475E-9570-46B9739741E3@standardstrack.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz104.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] font/* (and draft-freed-media-type-regs) X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:06:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail-166--696982848 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Shockingly, +1 On Nov 12, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Larry Masinter wrote: > I see no use case for why having font/opentype is any better than = application/opentype >=20 > The only use case I can imagine from looking at > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-singer-font-mime-00 > is the possibility of defining common parameters across font data = types (in the same way that text/.. has a common charset parameter). >=20 > But there isn't really any common processing proposed that one could = do knowing that you have font/x... so I agree with Graham that there = isn't a case for font/. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The arguments in favor seem to be of the form "well, we allow for new = top level types, so why not use it?" >=20 > I also recall a number of years ago an attempt to define "chemical/*" = as a new top level type for use in defining file formats? >=20 > My conclusion from this discussion is that we should declare the MIME = hierarchy closed to new top level types; we've only gotten very limited = use and value out of the hierarchy, compared to the pain and difficulty = (text/xml vs application/xml). >=20 > To be specific: in = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-freed-media-type-regs > I would propose changing=20 >=20 > OLD: > In some cases a new media type may not "fit" under any currently > defined top-level content type. Such cases are expected to be quite > rare. However, if such a case does arise a new top-level type can = be > defined to accommodate it. Such a definition MUST be done via > standards-track RFC; no other mechanism can be used to define > additional top-level content types. >=20 > NEW: >=20 > Originally, it was believed that there might be rare cases where new = media types might not "fit" under the currently defined top level types. = However, the benefit of introducing a new top level type is likely to be = low compared to the additional cost and confusion. While a new = top-level type can be defined by a standards-track RFC, it is likely = that additional applications can be satisfied by using the = "application/" top-level type. >=20 >=20 > (Additional comments on draft-freed-media-type-regs in = http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/happiana/current/msg00187.html ) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of t.petch > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 3:28 AM > To: Martin J. D=FCrst > Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] font/* >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin J. D=FCrst" > To: "t.petch" > Cc: ; > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:47 AM >=20 >=20 >> On 2011/11/10 18:06, t.petch wrote: >>> Dave >>>=20 >>> My bibles say >>>=20 >>> Type(face) Family; Courier, Futura, Century Schoolbook, .. >>> Typeface; one of the above with a defined >>> - Style: Roman, Italic >>> - Weight: Light, Semibold, Bold, ... >>> - Width: Ultracondensed, Condensed, Expanded, ... >>> Type Font; one of the above with a defined Size >>> - eg 12-point >>=20 >> As I said before in a mail to Dave, the last point worked well for=20 >> lead type or bitmap fonts, but technology has moved beyond. >=20 > Martin >=20 > The concepts have not changed and remain useful, IMO, in any = discussion on presentation. What has changed is the implementation = detail so when I download a new package to my PC, then it will apply to = all Fonts, within a Typeface, as opposed to having a separate module for = each Font. > (Incidentally, my bibles all relate to laser printing ie to modern = technology and have nothing to do with lead:-). >=20 > But more significantly, as other posts have clarified for me, this = thread is nothing to do with fonts but with type definition languages, = so perhaps it should be 'type/*'. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 >> Regards, Martin. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > apps-discuss mailing list > apps-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss > _______________________________________________ > apps-discuss mailing list > apps-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss --Apple-Mail-166--696982848 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s 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