Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison
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IF this issue gets further discussion, I'd be very concerned that a comparison of URI beyond simple character comparison would not be universally implemented. E.g., I do from time-to-time use URIs as index values for dictionary lookups - that depends implicitly on character-based equality. Further I don't believe it is possible to completely define URI equivalence of different URI strings in a meaningful way, because the notion of equivalence depends on context of use. When working with, say, RDF, when it is important to be sure that two references are denoting the same thing, the easy way is to just use the same referring string; alternatively, use some extrinsic assertion that two different URIs are denoting the same thing. In other words, why bother? Just keep it simple. #g -- On 23/01/2015 05:23, Larry Masinter wrote: > Tom Petch wrote, re draft-ietf-iri-comparison > >> I notice that this (expired) I-D updates RFC3986 which seems germane to >> recent discussions on this list. Reading it, I can see why it might >> update RFC3987 or 3987bis but cannot see where it updates RFC3986. >> What am I missing? > > I'm afraid > > " As URIs are a subset of IRIs, the guidelines apply to URI comparison as well." > > should have said the id ("Comparison, Equivalence and Canonicalization > of Internationalized Resource Identifiers") > was intended to replace RFC 3986 section 6 "Normalization and Comparison" > in its entirety. > > At this point I'd suggest comments on open in URL issues > https://github.com/webspecs/url/issues/18 > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27640 > > Should equivalence of URLs should mandate that if you parse URL A and > get back URI B, then A must be equivalent to B? > Then, if you have a different URL C that turns into B, C must also be equivalent > to A and B. Even for URLs that are valid URIs. > This requirement in 3986 is just a MAY. > > Larry > -- > http://larry.masinter.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > apps-discuss mailing list > apps-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss >
- [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notification … Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Daniel Stenberg
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
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- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Graham Klyne
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- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Graham Klyne
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Larry Masinter
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Julian Reschke
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Julian Reschke
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- Re: [apps-discuss] URI parsing tests: userinfo ha… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
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- [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Julian Reschke
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Julian Reschke
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
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- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Graham Klyne
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragment … Julian Reschke
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- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Mark Nottingham
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- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Parsing text into URLs that do… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- [apps-discuss] Filesystem I18N, again (Re: Fwd: F… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
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- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… David Singer
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Graham Klyne
- [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor - w… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Julian Reschke
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope of R… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Sam Ruby
- [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]Rx-li… Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Hector Santos
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]R… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]R… Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]R… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]R… Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… mike amundsen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… mike amundsen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Martin J. Dürst
- [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison David Singer
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison James M Snell
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Dave Cridland
- [apps-discuss] IETF lists Re: draft-ietf-iri-comp… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] IETF lists Re: draft-ietf-iri-… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne