Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: Fwd: Civil suit; ftp shutdown; mailing list shutdown

Frank Ellermann <> Fri, 07 October 2011 20:32 UTC

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On 7 October 2011 08:48, Eliot Lear wrote:

> As the co-author of the draft in question who is NOT a
> party to this suit, let me say this:
[...everybody is aware of the issue...]
> Please give us just a little while to sort a response.


The legal side will move at its usual glacial speed, but
IANA will need your I-D in the state known as "approved"
before they can create the registry.  And for that we'd
need a non-WG Last Call (~ 4 weeks); hopefully somebody
creates a fork until the IANA version exists.

In essence your I-D says "PD" instead of "IETF Trust".
It is an interesting idea, but it could be at odds with
the legal insurance.  And apparently your draft invents
its own "PD" version of "Note Well" for the mailing list,
I'm not sure that this is a good idea.

Suggestion, allow the list to adopt "Note Well" later,
when the dust settles.  Even the stubborn subscribers
should get the idea that an appeal chain consisting of
the IESG and the IAB (and in theory ISOC) working for
hundreds of IETF lists (including IANA expert lists) is
no "patent nonsense" (pun intended).