Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg-received-state

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Thu, 14 June 2012 18:41 UTC

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From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg-received-state
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Hi SM,

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM, SM <sm@resistor.net> wrote:

>
> At 11:00 14-06-2012, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>
>> Well now that's an interesting question.  Can we say something like
>> "FCFS, except IANA should probably check with ADs when they receive
>> requests for status changes"?  Has that been done before?
>>
>
>
> I don't recall seeing that before.  There is an IESG override for IANA
> policies.  That could be invoked by the ADs to handle such requests.
>
> Instead of looking into how to reclassify, I suggest discussing what is
> considered as deprecated and what is considered as historic.  It can be
> used to assess whether the cost is worthwhile.
>
>
Even if we got rid of one of the two states, the question about moving from
"current" to the remaining one is unresolved.

Based on what you said, we could do "FCFS" and just encourage IANA to
interact with the IESG if they have any doubts at all about the request.

The simplest solution is to remove the "Status" column altogether, but I'd
prefer to keep it if we can find a way to work within our own IANA
procedures.

-MSK