Re: [apps-discuss] Looking at Webfinger

John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com> Thu, 30 August 2012 21:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Looking at Webfinger
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I agree that doing it via DNS would be the proper way.

The reality is that not all clients can easily access DNS directly.  Doing anything more than a http get reduces adoption.

Not all DNS providers support srv records.  I think your draft on DNS records has expired, and I know of no support for it.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-faltstrom-uri-06

Something like DNS records would be the answer, I just don't think protocols like Webfinger are likely to wait for wide deployment of that as a underlying technology.

John B.
On 2012-08-30, at 2:44 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:

> First, I did not talk about SRV records, but URI records.
> 
> Secondly, I think it is fascinating that people that love new things like "the web" and new HTML5 features are the most conservative ones regarding other protocols like DNS.
> 
> With that attitude, we have no evolution, and no innovation.
> 
> Providers that do not support such features will die. It is that simple.
> 
>   Patrik
> 
> On 30 aug 2012, at 08:03, William Mills <wmills@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
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>> There are a few folks that feel that SRV records are not really an option for hosting situatiosn where the users don't currently have the ability to configure SRV records.
>> 
>> From: Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>
>> To: Paul E. Jones <paulej@packetizer.com> 
>> Cc: 'Mark Nottingham' <mnot@mnot.net>; 'IETF Apps Discuss' <apps-discuss@ietf.org> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Looking at Webfinger
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>> On 29 aug 2012, at 22:44, Paul E. Jones <paulej@packetizer.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 1) TXT records (e.g., _webfinger.packetizer.com IN TXT “https://packetizer.webfinger-provider.com/”)
>> 
>> Please see URI Resource Record, for example:
>> 
>> _webfinger._tcp.packetizer.com. IN URI 0 0 “https://packetizer.webfinger-provider.com/”
>> 
>>  Patrik
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