Re: [apps-discuss] Documenting UTF-1 as Historic

Frank Ellermann <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com> Fri, 10 June 2011 18:45 UTC

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From: Frank Ellermann <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:44:44 +0200
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Documenting UTF-1 as Historic
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On 10 June 2011 17:34, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote:

> I suppose it could be formally documented
> in Historic RFC

In theory.  But the IETF (etc.) never used UTF-1
for anything.  ISO deprecated UTF-1 years ago,
and of course they still formally document it:

http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/ISO-IR/178.pdf

Admittedly that page is hard to find, but OTOH
the en-wikipedia UTF-1 article lists it as its
one and only external reference (at the moment).

> Any thoughts on this?

Unless somebody did it already:  It would be a
very good thing to deprecate UTF-7 "officially"
in an RFC, because UTF-7 is at least in theory
an IETF invention.

There was an AD willing to sponsor this effort
in 2007, maybe the new ADs also like the idea.
The author of the UTF-7 RFC has no objections
(and should certainly get credits for his stunt
 to register a "moving target" as IANA charset
 before UTF-8 existed, and when Unicode was
 still only registered with a version number).

As far as HTML5 and WhatWG care about standards
they should also welcome if UTF-7 is "formally"
dead.  If you volunteer for this effort you can
also talk about UTF-1 "just for the records" if
you wish.

-Frank