Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC on draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-02.txt

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Mon, 13 February 2012 22:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] WGLC on draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-02.txt
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On 2/1/12 2:01 AM, t.petch wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave CROCKER" <dhc@dcrocker.net>
> To: "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter@stpeter.im>
> Cc: "Paul Hoffman" <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>rg>; <apps-discuss@ietf.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:48 PM
>> On 1/27/2012 10:44 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>>>>       The specification only cover parameter names, not numbers.
>>>>  Brevity is good.
>> Usually.
> 
> As long as it is right.  My number parameters have text names; my textual
> parameters have text names.  I think that 'the specification only cover textual
> parameter, not numeric one'.
> 
> Aliter,
> 'Note that this document only discusses parameters expressed in text; it does
> not discuss parameters that are expressed with numbers.'
> modifying Paul's original proposal slightly.
> 
> Arguably, the first sentence of the Introduction has the same problem with its
> reference to 'named parameters' as opposed to 'parameters expressed in text'.
> 
> But like Paul, I think that that is worth explicitly stating in this I-D,
> because when I get to Appendix B, it says
> ' [BCP82] is entitled "Assigning Experimental and Testing Numbers
>        Considered Useful" and therefore implies that the "X-" prefix is
>        also useful for experimental parameters.  '
> Well, if this is about textual parameters, then BCP82 is irrelevant, its
> title clearly states its scope and reading and re-reading it, I see nothing in
> it
> about text or characters, every reference is to number(s) and so I see
> nothing that has implications for X-.  Reading Appendix B might well muddy the
> waters as to the scope of this I-D which is why I would like that sentence
> above added.

In our working copy I have:

"Note that this document covers only parameters with textual names, not
parameters that are expressed as numbers."

I've also clarified the matter a bit in the abstract and the introduction:

"[T]his document deprecates the "X-" convention for textual parameters
in application protocols."

"Many application protocols use parameters with textual names to
identify data..."

Etc.

Shall I submit -03 so that the text is easier to track?

Peter

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