Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-00 and our lawn -- feedback?

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 13 February 2014 05:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-00 and our lawn -- feedback?
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> It's this attitude that I (and apparently other Web folks here) find disturbing -- to paraphrase, "we're building a new protocol, so we don't have to worry about what we do to the Web."

I have no interest in breaking the web, but honestly, so far all I've seen 
is FUD.  Can you offer a plausible scenario where RDAP would break 
something?

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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