Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-file-scheme
"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Tue, 12 April 2016 23:21 UTC
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From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-file-scheme
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On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc2@dcrocker.net> wrote: > [...] > In technical terms, document seems to suffer some confusion about its role > as a format specification, versus as a protocol specification. I believe > this issue is basic and important. It needs to be resolved. > > For a specification involving such a potentially and presumably important > capability, I think significant community support should be required... > unless the spec is to be offered as Experimental, which is the most I'm > inclined to recommend at this point... > Thanks, Dave. I've consulted with our ADs and they're fine with keeping APPSAWG open to process this document so long as we see continued work on its development. If it goes stale again for too long, we'll likely shut down without completing this final milestone and pass the document over to DISPATCH for disposition under their handling model. If we're sure we want Standards Track, that will mean sponsorship by an AD, or a (likely small/short) working group to finish it off. Matthew, do you have the time to put into closing this out? -MSK
- [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-file-… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Graham Klyne
- [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review of … Dave Crocker
- [apps-discuss] Implementation (was - Re: Review o… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review… John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Experimental (was - Re: Review… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Julian Reschke
- [apps-discuss] New information relating to draft-… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] New information relating to dr… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] New information relating to dr… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-appsawg-f… Sean Leonard