Re: [apps-discuss] IETF technical plenary: the end of application protocols

Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net> Mon, 21 March 2011 17:59 UTC

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Hi Claudio, 

I am not sure I understand your argument. 

I am using the term "service provider" in a quite relaxed way. 

For example, I (Hannes) want to reach out to others to share my remarks about IETF what would I do? 
I would (and I did) I installed a Wordpress blog. If I want to add chat capabilities, I add Strophe (a JavaScript based XMPP implementation). 
If I want to outsource my identity management (to make it simpler for others to comment on my blog) then I add OAuth and OpenID. 

I can (as a service provider) add a lot of functionality without demanding you to download a new application (every time I make add more functionality to my site).
You could even play nice little games via my site; everything runs in JavaScript. 

I hope I made it clear what I mean by "service provider". 

Ciao
Hannes

On Mar 21, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Claudio Allocchio wrote:

> 
>> For service providers it matters what most users like. It seems that more and more people are experiencing the Internet via Web browser.
> 
> because they do not know what the Internet is suppoused to be: "communicating with the others", e.g. receive information, but also GENERATE information.
> 
> At least in the "research and education" sections of the Internet we still stick to the paradigm that users generate information and content, and they invent their own services, while we (the "carrier") do not tell them what they can "download", or again we (the "carrier") just give users simmetrical connectivity. And when we ask for innovation proposals, the most innovative ones we get are not "via Web Browsers". An example: a real-time audio-video protocol which enable musicians to perform a live concert even when they're a thousand miles apart from each other.
> 
> but this will lead quite far away from what we started to discuss...
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> :-)
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